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🍽️ Food & Health - science, news, myth-busting ☠️

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shteve
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It says any cooking process where the temperature is over 100c, which includes your Sunday roast. It's nothing to do with the fat content that frying food has been shown to be bad for.


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Posted by: @Anonymous

fried food bad for you

hmmm ... not sure you 'digested' my point! It's not just frying that's bad, but grilling, barbecuing, broiling, roasting and baking too. In fact, anything that 'browns' foods and makes them more delicious, sadly including toasting ... toast!

And it's not just sizzling steaks and grilled bacon (? the flesh you so fancifully fry ?) - French fries, crisps and Pringles are also full of AGEs.


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Posted by: @Anonymous

what isn't bad for you these days?

hmm ... your reaction is interesting. I can't remember the full psychology behind it now, but iirc it's a common way for us to avoid responsibility - by concluding that everything is bad, there's nothing we can do, so I may as well not bother. Something like that, I think, and especially when we have to guide/make the decisions for others (as a parent or carer).

The very simple advice is to eat much more fruits & vegetables of every type, and eat much less of the 'bad stuff'. Enjoy your (small) steak with veggies, and your lamb roganjosh with a veggie starter & side.

And we can make simple food substititions, like switching from chips to jacket potato, and enjoying your (smaller portions of) meat in a curry or casserole rather than from the bbq.


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Posted by: @Anonymous

So basically common sense then? Eat bad things not very often good things more often, like we've been taught forever.

They should seriously do research on common sense more, as nobody seems to have it these days, do parents not teach anything?

The article is helping us to understand what "bad stuff" is.

I don't believe that common sense extends to knowing what good and bad foods/cooking techniques are.


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Posted by: @Anonymous

You don't believe it's common sense to steam something over frying it? 

I disagree, think its quite clearly common sense.

Common sense that stir frying is better than grilling? I always understood that grilling was a healthy way to cook.


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? Cheers! ?

There's been lots of to-ing and fro-ing about booze over the years, mainly as the press picks up on 1 research paper that appears to show "everything in moderation" is fine, or a glass helps us to relax, or red wine is nutritious, etc.

The bottom line is - as far as we can measure - there is no safe level of alcohol consumption.

Compared to non-drinkers, just 1 drink/day increases risk for cancer of the throat, esophagus, liver, colon, rectum, and breast, plus: enlarged heart and atrial fibrillation (that can cause clots and strokes).

The alcohol industry downplays risk in the same way that tobacco did 70 years ago - it claims that moderate drinking is safe, yet 30% of all alcohol–related deaths are caused by cancer (with 1/3 deaths caused by <2 drinks/day).

A major review (700+ studies, millions of people, 195 countries) found “No level of alcohol consumption improves health”. The more you drink, the greater your risk of cancer, and the more likely you are to die prematurely. (Cancer patients who stop drinking reduce their chances of recurrence.)

Alcohol At Any Dose Can Increase Cancer Risk

So drink and be merry, but don't be under the false assumption that it's doing your body any good!


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But what if we fry the alcohol first?


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Posted by: @Anonymous

Again, is this not obvious? I always thought this was the case, same with coffee as well surely or any caffeine? 1 glass of red is good for you nonsense, peddled by people who drink a load.

Not obvious, no.

 


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Posted by: @Anonymous
Again, is this not obvious?

The only obvious thing here is that you're more intelligent than the rest of us. ? So I guess this thread isn't for you.

To me, a relaxing glass of red some nights, packed as it is with anti-oxidants and polyphenols, sounds perfectly healthy ... alas, not the case, as the alcohol content outweighs any nutritional benefits.

Coffee is complicated - only for black/unsweetened coffee, it seems to be neutral or slightly healthy (better with filter paper rather than metal cafetiere, and avoid burnt roasts, iirc).

Vaping has already caused a few deaths, and has only ever been beneficial to ween off smokers - which seems to be working.


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Posted by: @Anonymous

If you just ate dark chocolate you wouldn't be the size of a house?

Dark choc is healthy. No one would advocate only eating a single food.

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As with all these things little and often, is probably best.

Yes to healthy foods little and often, no to the unhealthiest foods "in moderation".


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