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🏳️‍⚧️ ⚤ J. K. Rowling & the Trans Debate ♂♀ 🏳️‍🌈

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Do I need to quote your "138 examples" of which a pretty significant number were links to Reduxx? With the rest mostly being made up of outrage-seeking British tabloids (famously the worst in the world). This is why I originally asked about your idea that violence is on the rise - because I suspect that you seek out these rags and rancid sites that confirm your bias. This despite the fact that crime rates have been dropping pretty consistently the last 30 years or so.

And every time someone asks you for statistics, you resort to anecdotes.

What do you think about people who believe that some of those groups make the world less safe for women, children, and people in general? Would you call them, say, bigots?

You could read up on it before proclaiming that "sex is binary".

But you're specifically NOT posting about cis-blokes who abuse women, and you're NOT providing evidence that trans-people are more of a danger to women than said blokes. And you're NOT providing any evidence that public toilets are more dangerous than other spaces. So that's why I suspect that your worry is performative.

It's called reading between the lines. See: the Fawlty Towers thread.

I would ask them for evidence as well.

Once again: You have provided zero evidence of this. No, your Reduxx and tabloid links are not evidence, they're anecdotes.

And I'd appreciate it if you laid off the tiresome BS - but, hey, horses and beggars, right?


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Jezzer, I don’t doubt that you’ll continue to stamp your little foot and continue with your hysterical overreaction to the ‘toilet’ ‘problem’, but the tiniest bit of thought should enable you to see that it’s a non-issue.

A person, trans or otherwise, who intends to rape a woman is hardly going to worry whether or not they are going to get into trouble for entering a woman’s toilet.

Just calm down and try and get a bit of perspective.


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I think the toilet is just one example. I see the bigger issue in sports, employment (does a trans woman count towards gender equality?), prisons. If I identify as a woman, can I retire two years earlier? I saw one article where a trans woman was saying she wanted access to the same medical treatments as a woman. WTF? What is there physically different between a trans woman and a cis man that would mean they needed that?


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That's all a bit surreal for me, but does sound quite cool - I don't really feel any different to what I remember feeling 25 years ago.

Gender As a Social Construct

50 years ago, people believed that men and women had specific gender-related roles determined by biology:
- Women are more nurturing so they were best suited to be mothers who stayed at home to raise children.
- Men are more aggressive and less nurturing, best suited to go out to work and provide for the family.
We don't believe that anymore about men and women.

If gender is only a social construct, it means that men and women act differently only because society has dictated their roles to them. They have learned how they should behave and what they should sound or look like. The “nature vs nurture” debate remains contentious when it comes to sex and gender differences. But most researchers believe that, whatever role inherent biological factors play, environmental factors are a major influence that can affect the development of the brain itself.

Gender dysphoria is a sense of experiencing negative feelings or distress about your gender, because it doesn't align with the sex assigned to you (at birth). It can present at any age and may occur in small children as they become socialized.

Gender dysphoria can be as simple as not wanting to play with the toys considered appropriate for your gender, or as complex as wanting medical care to change your body to align with your identity. It is a common occurrence for transgender people. Not feeling that your identity is aligned with your assigned sex can be a stressful and overwhelmingly difficult experience.

1.6 million people in the US identify as transgender - 1.3 million adults & 300,000 youths (age 13-17) - 39% are trans women, 36% are trans men, 25% are gender non-conforming.

Younger people are more likely to identify as transgender than older people, which may be due to the changing attitudes about trans people in recent years. Now that it is more widely discussed and resources are available for transgender care, it is a very different scenario than 50 years ago.

 


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If you're alluding to the extremists who claim that children can give consent to sex with adults - that's been going on for decades in the extreme fringes. It's even sanctioned in some US States, where the groomed/raped teenager is married off to their abuser to have his child.

Good to see the big news sites investing in effective web design rather than just swamping the page with ads and auto-play videos. And it does make me wonder how many of these (rich) kids were being abused or neglected - in the same way that 'troubled teens' were sent to convents, or diagnosed as 'hysterical' and locked away. Good that Paris Hilton (of all people) is speaking out.

Which is why we need decent investment in the NHS and associated support services, including experts in families and domestic violence (not leaving this to the police).

Yes, we mentioned this before - when you have trans support centres staffed only by people who have happily transitioned, it can too easily become a conveyor belt that's hard to get off. Thankfully, things are getting better.


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Of course you know, don't be daft ! ?

 


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Where are kids having irreversible trans surgeries ? I thought in the UK, they weren't allowed till > 18yo ? (Or do you mean, some people are campaigning for this to be allowed?)

Having said that, it is legal in the US for a 17yo to have a cosmetic labiaplasty (unrelated to gender dysphoria).


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what a colossal botch - it's not exactly difficult to keep track of a name change!

the ban will apply to trans women with male genitalia, as well as those who are sexual offenders.

As discussed on here previously, sounds fair enough to me, so long as there are safety provisions in place.


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@Jez - can you stop being so defiant and try to be more definite ? 


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Yes, being blocked from 'purity' would have surreal effects on your health.


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