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BREXIT? How's it going for you? Is there a single positive yet ?

There were so many promises ...

https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1555249564663398401

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Haven't seen a single positive. Many negatives though.

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It took five minutes to think of one, but in the end all I could come up with was that we could now deport convicted serious criminals back to their countries of origin.

A microscopic benefit for an unbelievably astronomical price in both monetary and non-monetary terms.

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Whoever said anything about instant ?

Only BoJo as far as I can remember - "oven ready deal" and "get Brexit done", etc.

It's been 6 (SIX) years since the vote

The UK voted to leave the EU in June 2016 and officially left the trading bloc - its nearest and biggest trading partner - on 31 January 2020.

However, both sides agreed to keep many things the same until 31 December 2020, to allow enough time to agree to the terms of a new trade deal.

As part of a “Benefits of Brexit” report published 31 Jan 2022, the government highlighted four policies:

  1. reintroducing blue passports,
  2. using a crown symbol on pint glasses,
  3. establishing freeports
  4. reducing single use plastic bags.

But two of these could have happened while the UK was a member of the EU – and two of them did.

Marvelous ! ?

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Excellent twitter thread ...

TLDR; Brexit has utterly failed, most people want things back as they were, we'll likely rejoin the EU in the early 2030s.

https://twitter.com/RichardBentall/status/1562389811880759297

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Excellent twitter thread ...

TLDR; Brexit has utterly failed, most people want things back as they were, we'll likely rejoin the EU in the early 2030s.

https://twitter.com/RichardBentall/status/1562389811880759297

I hope and pray.

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Hehe ...

- you see preachy, I see researched and backed up by evidence.

- you see "cannot be argued", where I see that each point is individually arguable.

- feel free to share your "Brexit is amazing ..." thread/article for balance.

- you seem surprised by his woke declaration, but I say good on him for wearing it on his sleeve.

- yes, it's like 'we told you this would happen' after Brexit, but we honestly really wish we'd been wrong (despite all the top economist forecasts).

- roll on the early 2030s !

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I really don't get the whole "the people voted for it" thing. The people voted to join the common market, so why did we leave if every vote is somehow a one time deal?

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I really don't get the whole "the people voted for it" thing. The people voted to join the common market, so why did we leave if every vote is somehow a one time deal?

It's absolutely asinine, and indicates that the person making the assertion is an idiot.

Firstly, for the reason you mentioned above, and secondly: why should it be different to any other vote? We didn't vote in Labour at the end of the nineties and then say: "Oh, we voted for labour, that's settled for ever". Same, mutatis mutandis, for any other vote or election.

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Mutatis mutandis is a Medieval Latin phrase meaning "with things changed that should be changed" or "once the necessary changes have been made". 

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Sure, it's his point of view, not his Master's thesis. I'm honestly yet to see a list of actual positives (not bus-written promises).

It's not a left/right division though, is it ? > 184 Conservative MPs backed Remain (218 Labour MPs) including Cameron and Osbourne at the top, of course.

Even BoJo and May were pro-EU until they decided to capitalise politically.

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