ummm ... given your previous arguments in the old thread, I wouldn't have thought this is the good news you think it is.
Looking beyond the headline ...
- The trust said it supported plans for a new model due to a rise in referrals.
- Having just one clinic was not "a safe or viable long-term option".
- Two new centres (London, NW England) to open in spring 2023 to support teenagers struggling with gender ID
- Stonewall said it was pleased the NHS was addressing "unacceptable" waiting times faced by young trans people trying to access gender-identity healthcare.
Interesting. So what percentage of trans-identifying teenagers would you say have "mental conditions" ?
Interesting. So what percentage of trans-identifying teenagers would you say have "mental conditions" ?
Well, all of them, really. But even if you exclude the fact of living in a body with which you are fundamentally uncomfortable, the stress that involves is likely to lead to further problems.
This is why they need as much support as we as a society, both professionally and non-professionally can give them.
It's also why I find the extremists that have taken control of the agenda, with their demands that men with penises be allowed in women's safe spaces, and that people who have developed as male be allowed to compete in women's sports, are so dangerous (and annoying). I fear their shrill screaming down of anyone who disagrees with them will detract from the ability of the vast majority of trans people to transition, and then live peacefully, in a body with which they are comfortable, without forever being associated with the more contentious activities of a small minority.
Indeed. The more it's recognised that it does exist and is normal, but it's not everyday normal the better. Properly identify that that is the issue and then provide help for that, or help for a different issue if that's what it turns out to be. Stop pushing an agenda and recognise there are people involved not just ideologies.
Transgender charity hopes to remove the charity status of an LGB charity as they want to focus on non-trans issues. I think they should go after the RSPCA next as they're clearly focussing on animal rights at the expense of Bernard in a dress (j/k). Seriously though, how can a man be defined as a lesbian just because he likes to wear women's clothing?
Only just watched this ITV show from 2018 - a bit clunky, cliched and rushed, but well worth a watch (3 x 45m).
Most interesting for me was seeing the counselling sessions. Things didn't go quite how I expected, and it's not an easy journey.
What did trans people (and parents of trans children) make of Butterfly ep1 ?
https://www.itv.com/hub/butterfly/2a5387
I'd not heard of this show, and remember liking JS... must check it out.
As seemingly the only trans sympathiser (but far from a TRA) remaining here now (and there were only a couple of us anyway!) I don't think that schools should be doing anything without the parent/s knowledge. Other than trans issues, does this scenario ever happen? (I don't know - sexuality? Contraception? Religion?)
If a teenager is having any kinds of problems at home, they should be allowed to seek help from a school counsellor in confidence, without that getting back to the parents. But I think that any kind of practical action (changing pronouns, etc) should not be instigated without consultation with one or both parents.
some of these pressure groups want as many as possible to become transgender, rather than helping people work out their true needs
I don't know enough about Mermaids to comment, although they do feature briefly in Anna Friel's 'Butterfly' series I linked to, above, in which they appeared to be providing a much needed and valued service. It was apparently a realistic (if simplistic) portrayal, and certainly not a fast-track.
Speaking generally, marginalised groups can 'get tough' but start to overshoot their remit. (Traumatised individuals can also have trouble setting boundaries). And of course, trans people have only been coming out for a couple of decades, so both sides will still be learning.
Interesting - they are clearly very different as bulimia is treated and hopefully cured. So are you saying that trans people should also be 'cured', or it's all just a phase? [*] Honestly, that sounds like an attitude from the 1970s ! (Or are you trolling for a reaction? I can't tell).
Although most people with bulimia do recover, some find that symptoms don't go away entirely. Periods of bingeing and purging may come and go through the years, depending on your life circumstances, such as recurrence during times of high stress.
Some people certainly do have to 'live with' their bulimia, but many trans people only start to feel like their true selves when they start living as the opposite gender - they are not putting up with it, but start to feel free and alive for the very first time.
My guess is that you've never listened to the journey of real trans people, eg: How To Be A Girl podcast - or - Butterfly on ITV. Even Heartstopper on Netflix is light & entertaining, not grim.
[*] Of course, there are some/many teenagers working out what's right for them, whether it's trans or not.
As seemingly the only trans sympathiser (but far from a TRA) remaining here now
I strongly refute that. I've said at least once that I very strongly support the idea that trans (or potentially trans) people should get all possible support and be treated with tolerance and respect; to be allowed to live their lives in a way the way in which they are most comfortable.
There are three caveats:
1) That people with penises should not be allowed in women's safe spaces.
2) That people born as men should not be allowed to compete as women in any sport where strength is an advantage.
3) That the 'hard core' trans supporters should not be allowed to bully people who hold different (but not hateful) ideas to themselves.
You used a very good word later in the post quoted above: 'overshoot'. Again, I have said this before, but I fear that the excessively aggressive stance taken by some is having a negative effect on all trans people because they are, whether they like it or not, associated with the objectionable bullying of a minority their supporters.
As seemingly the only trans sympathiser (but far from a TRA) remaining here now
I strongly refute that. I've said at least once that I very strongly support the idea that trans (or potentially trans) people should get all possible support and be treated with tolerance and respect; to be allowed to live their lives in a way the way in which they are most comfortable.
Apologies, wrong choice of word - more a vocal defender, rather than the sole forum sympathiser !
There are three caveats:
1) That people with penises should not be allowed in women's safe spaces.
2) That people born as men should not be allowed to compete as women in any sport where strength is an advantage.
3) That the 'hard core' trans supporters should not be allowed to bully people who hold different (but not hateful) ideas to themselves.You used a very good word later in the post quoted above: 'overshoot'. Again, I have said this before, but I fear that the excessively aggressive stance taken by some is having a negative effect on all trans people because they are, whether they like it or not, associated with the objectionable bullying of a minority their supporters.
2) I sort-of agree, but think that the governing bodies should decide. One complication is that of intersex and similar - for example, a female can have variations in chromosomes, hormones, etc that could give her an unfair advantage. Remember the jokes in the 80s about the East European shot-putters? Some babies assigned female at birth can later go through male puberty (internal testes), so go on to excel at some sports ... it's complicated to define/pin down.
3) No bullying - absolutely - the hatred that JKR gets is terrible and vile. But yes, most trans people just want to live their lives and be left alone in their chosen gender.
1) This is a complicated one ...
Prisons - Personally, I think that prison intake should align with a person's genitalia - after all, inmates are submitted to a full body search on admittance, so there is no breach of privacy there. However, prison life for a (pre-op) trans woman would be incredibly hard in a men's jail, so perhaps (I don't know) the answer would be to isolate them, in either the male or the female jail on a case-by-case basis, and if they misbehave then they get transferred to the other.
Toilets/changing rooms - difficult, but I come down to the self-ID. So many facilities are mixed now anyway - gyms, swimming pools, water parks - seemingly with few (not zero) problems. Another complication here is a woman that looks butch can get harassed.
Women's shelters - vulnerable people should be protected, so this whole area needs massive investment (defund the police?)
There will always be outliers - trans people who go on to commit crimes. But of course, the vast majority of violence against women/girls and trans people is committed by men (most often by men that they know).
Oof ... 5 years ago I might have mostly agreed with you, but having listened/read/watched plenty since then, I can see clearly that you're mixing up BIOLOGICAL SEX and GENDER - easy to do, but they are 2 different things.
What are the differences between sex, gender, and gender identity?
It’s common for people to confuse sex, gender, and gender identity. But they’re actually all different things.
Sex is a label — male or female — that you’re assigned by a doctor at birth based on the genitals you’re born with and the chromosomes you have. It goes on your birth certificate.
Gender is much more complex: It’s a social and legal status, and set of expectations from society, about behaviors, characteristics, and thoughts. This is also generally male or female, but instead of being about body parts, it’s more about how you’re expected to act, because of your sex.
Gender identity is how you feel inside and how you express your gender through clothing, behavior, and personal appearance. It’s a feeling that begins very early in life.
This is interesting - I don't remember ever seeing a trans rights ep from John Oliver ... looks like there's only one, and it was 7 years ago!
Still as relevant today, though, which is maybe why they've not revisited.
