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I've just taken a few minutes to search a few uk news sites, Arthur, and they all say the same thing - police are pursuing all lines of enquiry but so far there is no evidence that this crime was gender-related.
I've just taken a few minutes to search a few uk news sites, Arthur, and they all say the same thing - police are pursuing all lines of enquiry but so far there is no evidence that this crime was gender-related.
Which is very different to "Except that at the moment the police don't think her gender identity was a factor"
Sure, that's always the official line to not aggravate tensions.
I don't think they're that far apart, Arthur. If there was evidence, then they would think gender identity was a factor. Motives might not come out until the trial, whenever that may be. But the point raised above is valid - if gender is ruled out, then the inclusion of the news item (tragic as it was) in this thread is premature.
I don't think they're that far apart, Arthur. If there was evidence, then they would think gender identity was a factor. Motives might not come out until the trial, whenever that may be. But the point raised above is valid - if gender is ruled out, then the inclusion of the news item (tragic as it was) in this thread is premature.
When you say "I don't think they are that far apart", you are saying that in your opinion they are not that far apart.
When Shteve said that police don't think think that her gender identity was a factor, he is saying that the police have stated that in their opinion it was not a factor. I haven't seen anything that says that.
But yes, perhaps premature to include in this thread.
"At this time, there is no evidence to suggest that the circumstances surrounding Brianna's death are hate related," he said.
From the BBC article linked to.
I wonder if some of you actually went to school, or were teleported down as adults ?? In my schools at least, in the late 70s/early 80s, it was the worst insult to be called a bum boy. In some ways, it must be far tougher these days, even though apparently many kids are cool with all things LGBTQ+.
Transgender children face discrimination even at primary school level
For many young transgender people, socially transitioning can be a highly difficult experience. Research has shown that discrimination and harassment can be common during adolescent transition, and trans teenagers frequently experience bullying not only from peers but from adults too.
A recent study (British Journal of Educational Psychology) looks at a group of children who socially transition at an even earlier age, during primary and early secondary school. Through interviews with parents and children, the work finds a culture of cisnormativity (*) within schools and a failure to protect trans children, potentially leading to serious consequences to children’s education and mental health.
(*) cisnormativity = a form of normative thought which assumes that everybody is cisgender and has the same needs.
- institutional cisnormativity in UK schools - trans pupils in unsafe environments, contributing to drop-out and trauma.
- educational injustice due to cisnormative attitudes, making it acceptable for trans children to lose access to education, or to experience trauma.
- a failure to protect trans children - educators, schools and school leaders need to take action to protect trans children.
not sure about this application of Newspeak - will the originals be available or slowly (or quickly) replaced by the new versions. Will keep people arguing for ages over the various edits.
Augustus Gloop in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is now described as “enormous”. In The Twits, Mrs Twit is no longer “ugly and beastly” but just “beastly”.
Hundreds of changes were made to the original text – and some passages not written by Dahl have been added.
In The Witches, a paragraph explaining that witches are bald beneath their wigs ends with the new line: “There are plenty of other reasons why women might wear wigs and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.”
I think this is very sad. Instead of editing the books they could just burn them...
Yet his description of the 3 white male farmers is completely ok as they're fair game?
Yet his description of the 3 white male farmers is completely ok as they're fair game?
What do you mean? Is it problematic to associate being white with being a farmer?
Down in the valley there were three farms. The owners of these farms had done well. They were rich men. They were also nasty men. All three of them were about as nasty and mean as any men you could meet. Their names were Farmer Boggis, Farmer Bunce and Farmer Bean.
Boggis was a chicken farmer. He kept thousands of chickens. He was enormously fat. This was because he ate three boiled chickens smothered with dumplings every day for breakfast, lunch and supper.
Bunce was a duck-and-goose farmer. He kept thousands of ducks and geese. He was a kind of pot-bellied dwarf. He was so short his chin would have been underwater in the shallow end of any swimming-pool in the world. His food was doughnuts and goose-livers. He mashed the livers into a disgusting paste and then stuffed the paste into the doughnuts. This diet gave him a tummy-ache and a beastly temper.
Bean was a turkey-and-apple farmer. He kept thousands of turkeys in an orchard full of apple trees. He never ate any food at all. Instead, he drank gallons of strong cider which he made from the apples in his orchard. He was as thin as a pencil and the cleverest of them all.
'Boggis and Bunce and Bean
One fat, one short, one lean.
These horrible crooks
So different in looks
Were none the less equally mean.
Yeah, ok. They're all nasty black men but the racist Dahl chose to not mention that for some reason.
I think it's only with a modern eye that we see black = bad and white = good as racism. In reality, black = bad because it's the scary darkness who knows what nastiness is out there and white = good because it's the light and we can see what's coming. I watched a documentary a good few years ago that tried to argue that Star Wars was racist as the main heroes were white (this was after RoTJ so Lando existed) and the bad guys were led by a black guy (Darth Vader, who was himself led by a white guy, and all his minions wore suits of white). Frankly, you can argue any old crap and read what you want into anything.
hmm ... this all distills down to #allLivesMatter though, which ignores both nuance and our normalised positions of stale pale maleness. All changes can seem daft from our viewpoint as it is the 'normal' so why change it?
Black people are the minority in (most?) English-speaking countries, so we can make efforts to level the playing field.
It's like Apu in The Simpsons - a show where most white characters are very flawed, but a whole generation of Indian-heritage US kids were nick-named 'Apu' at school and teased with stereotypes. As innocent as the show's intentions were, rascists are gonna bully.
This thread went off topic !
Racism/censorship/wokeness is now continued over on @wowbagger's new thread >
https://dvdforums.co.uk/community/tdf-hangout/publishers-turned-censors/
