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If you are a man and want to go into a ladies toilet you have a few options:
1) Just do it - women will probably just presume the men's is out of action.
2) Dress up like a woman - if you look like a woman, no one will notice, if you don't you might get a few odd looks, or beaten up by local yobos.
3) Put on a high viz jacket and go in with a mop.
In any case, no rules are going to make a scrap of difference. A person entering with the intent to rape or otherwise attack a woman is hardly going to be bothered about some minor rule about access.
Try and use what intelligence you've got, and for God's sake stop spending your days trawling the internet for pictures of trans women - it makes you look like some weird, demented, pervert.
Sadly, @jez has left the building, requesting that his posts get deleted along the way.
I found it interesting trying to understand his pov.
Weird timing, too ...
... cos of this, which seems to take trans rights back by a decade >
https://twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1643242951861055488?s=20
cos of this, which seems to take trans rights back by a decade >
That Twitter thread is horrible and why I stay away from Twitter these days and why I happy to dip back into this thread now there is the possibility of nuanced discussion.
Am I reading it right that my trans women work colleagues who have transitioned would be forced to use the men's toilets?
Sadly, @jez has left the building, requesting that his posts get deleted along the way.
I found it interesting trying to understand his pov.
I'm not sure whether or not to feel guilty about this, considering that I did give him rather a hard time.
Whilst I absolutely agree that Jez has every right to express his opinion, his bombarding two threads with posts which effectively said the same three things over and over and over again was tiresome, to say the least.
Translated to real life, it would be like having a group of adults trying to sit quietly or having a sensible conversation, and a particularly whiney child droning on and on, when just about everyone had agreed that:
1) There are problems with the whole trans rights situation
2) Labour are not perfect
3) Not everything that's wrong with this country is a result of brexit.
I am sorry that he chose to leave completely, rather than just ease off on the repetitive postings.
Am I reading it right that my trans women work colleagues who have transitioned would be forced to use the men's toilets?
I must admit that I'm not clear (and unsure which act to check) if there is, or ever has been, a legal rule about men in women's toilets.
Isn't it just something that's self evidently the 'normal' thing to do?
It would be extremely unfortunate if fully transition women were forced to use men's facilities - but it's very unlikely that anyone would be able to do anything if they did - even if they noticed.
I would say (yet again - sorry) that it's the bully boys and obsessives on both sides of the argument that are preventing the vast majority of trans women just quietly living the lives with which they are most comfortable. Which is something of a tragedy.
I would say (yet again - sorry) that it's the bully boys and obsessives on both sides of the argument that are preventing the vast majority of trans women just quietly living the lives with which they are most comfortable. Which is something of a tragedy.
Oh yes, completely agree.
I really struggle to grasp this association between supporting trans women using women's facilities as therefore you are a misogynist.
Am I reading it right that my trans women work colleagues who have transitioned would be forced to use the men's toilets?
If it goes through, then yes, as far as I understand, that would be the logical result. It's a very weird position for the Equality and Human Rights Commission to effectively row backwards, and recommend changing the Equality Act from way back in 2010.
It's not that dissimilar to the over-turning of Roe v Wade in the USA, in that previously established rights are being thrown out.
And of course we are back to the clichéd questions, that we've largely avoided in this thread - how on earth do you enforce this? As the TRAs say to the TERFs, why do you want to know what's in my pants? Why are you obsessed with our genitals? ?
I'm not sure whether or not to feel guilty about this, considering that I did give him rather a hard time.
I know what you mean - a similar thing happened between myself and basegreen back on TDF.
The recommendations are advisory, and need to go through Parliament ... albeit at a time when both parties are grandstanding and worrying about elections.
We feel that @KemiBadenoch & @EHRC have expressed a real enthusiasm for destroying trans women's rights. In our view, we see here the sort of approach that would fit right into the legislative programmes of US states like Texas, Tennessee or Florida. It's contemptible.
At first glance, the legal impact of their recommendations would directly affect trans people with GRCs and/or who are post-op. For EA 2010 purposes, their GRCs would become worthless and they'd be in the same legal position as the other 250-500k trans people without one.
In theory, trans people would retain a qualified right to claim direct discrimination if excluded from single-sex spaces.
Though technically only the status of GRC holders & post-op trans people would be changed by the @EHRC's proposals (re hospital wards for example), we might expect organisations to be encouraged to introduce wider exclusion of trans women as a consequence.
https://twitter.com/LearningTrans/status/1643541792044769280?s=20
It looks like EHRC Directors are resigning >
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1643593564931104770
