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🏳️‍⚧️ ⚤ J. K. Rowling & the Trans Debate ♂♀ 🏳️‍🌈

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The first clip was very impressive.

Apart from aligning almost exactly with my own views (in other words, he's correct <weg>), he was incredibly good at stating everything clearly and concisely. No waffle or repetition.

I'll watch the other two later.

 


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Ditto. I agreed with most of what he said as it was also my viewpoint before. The only thing I'm not convinced of is that we're just now starting to acknowledge their existence. Maybe accept is a better word, but the efforts of the more liberal to accelerate that are having the opposite effect.


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Well in the '80-90s, visibility of transexuals seemed incredibly rare - as in, people wanting to live their lives as the gender opposite to their biological sex.

We were mainly aware of 'trannies' and drag acts in the entertainment industry (although I never quite 'got it' myself!) or Agony Aunt stories of the wife coming home early to find hubby parading in her bra.


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Maybe Leicester Poly/ DeMontfort Uni was more cosmopolitan that I thought, but there were a couple of TG people there when I was. And one guy who just was more comfortable in women's clothing but still had girlfriends. That was late 80s/ early 90s. And Dog Day Afternoon is the first time I remember seeing the idea of a man wanting to transition to a woman.


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Back in the day there was a category 'cross dresser'.

It was never clear exactly what the gender status of such people* was, although they were always male.

I don't remember women who dressed in masculine clothing ever being so categorised.

 

*I'm fairly sure there were at least some who simply liked women's clothing.


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The 'gender-bending' women of the 1980s wouldn't stand out though - unless they went full Annie Lennox with a red crew cut and man's suit.

Plenty women were wearing docs, jeans and a baggy jumper when I was a college - perfectly normal, and not seen as 'cross-dressing' Gentleman Jacks. But the male equivalent would really stand out!

Although on a night out you'd see New Romantics, or if you wanted to make a statement, Goth-lite.


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Not forgetting the hair metal crew. You'd never think of any of them as being TG though people did take issue with it.

And I don't think women dressing in "men's" clothing was ever a problem and still isn't now.


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Not sure how I feel about this ... need to read & digest the details ...

What's happened so far? (published at 15:35)

  • For those just joining us, the Supreme Court has ruled unanimously that the legal definition of a woman is based on biological sex.
  • The decision came following a lengthy legal case between the Scottish government and the women's rights group For Women Scotland, regarding equalities legislation.
  • Judge Lord Hodge said the decision was not "a triumph of one or more groups in our society at the expense of another".
  • However the court ruled the Equality Act 2010 would be “incoherent and impracticable” if the "certificated sex" view - letting a person with a gender recognition certificate be classed as that gender - took hold.
  • The ruling said that "the concept of sex is binary, a person is either a woman or a man."
  • There was an outpouring of emotion following the verdict, as women's rights campaigners celebrated.
  • For Women Scotland said the judges had said what they always believed to be the case, that women are protected by their biological sex.
  • The UK government stated the decision provides clarity for hospitals, refuges and sports clubs.
  • Charity Scottish Trans asked trans people "not to panic" about the news.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvgq9ejql39t?post=asset%3A85e17f5f-199a-4fbf-8c93-84af132f162d#post

 


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It is a very difficult question.

As usual, the thugs and bully boys and girls are out in force screaming 'BIGOT' at anyone who does not believe exactly what they believe.

I do think that this goes somewhat too far in that fully transitioned (to women) people should be allowed in women's safe spaces.

The only restrictions of any sort that should be placed on trans people are (IMO):

 

1) No person with a dick in women's safe spaces.

2) No one who is genetically male in women's sports.

 

Apart from that trans people should have the same rights, privileges, and respect as anyone else.

 

Believe it or not I was blocked by one commentator for posting that.

 


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Finally: some common sense. 


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